and talked to them for a minimum of 45 minutes? give them credit. >> eric: he is using children who allegedly written this -- >> bob: children getting massacred. what is the problem? >> bob: let me see if we defend this. go to newtown, connecticut. >> kimberly: is it healthy and appropriate to use children as political pawns? >> eric: it's perfectly healthy and -- >> bob: this is perfectly healthy and the right thing to do. >> dana: are kids that are victims of the drug war, are they part of the press conference? >> eric: chicago murders up. they represented hundreds more of those killed fightinger if rornist afghanistan. this is chicago where they have the toughest, the toughest gun laws in the country. >> andrea: deal with the problem in chicago. do you know what he announced today he would be doing? divesting. pension funds in illinois. >> bob: good. >> greg: >> really, bob? that is denying public employee pension retirement. that is profitable for them with the political posturing. >> bob: the best of the guys with the weapons